the shipping price absolutely sucks. I paid 8x.00 for the pants, but spent another 40.00 on shipping... and it still took almost 3 weeks to get it. So in total, I spent 140.00 on short pants. think about that... 140.00 US Dollars for an 86.00 pair of pants. This is a total getting it in the b-hole site. The pants are really nice, I enjoy them and I have 3 of them now. Each different, not that I wanted them to be different...but they are. No velcro... huge deal if you are trying to save your other clothes when they are in the laundry.